Theme In Common:
The following passages describe the same incident; despite the slight differences in linguistic form brought about by two "layers" of translation, the "lest any man deceive you" warning (eg.the substance)rings loud and clear.

Matt 24:3-4 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mark 13:4-5 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

A passage relating to this deception, 2Cor11:14-15, testifies to the ability of satan and his evil spirits to disguise themselves to preach a perverted gospel to those who are biblically illiterate.

2 Cor 11:14-15
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (KJV)

Strong's definition of KJV "transformed":

3345 metaschematizo  (met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo);
from 3326 and a derivative of 4976; to transfigure or disguise; figuratively, to apply (by accommodation):
KJV-- transfer, transform (self).

II Thes 2:1-12

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

[Note:That letter, possibly amongst others, being 1Thes4:13-18 ]

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

[The theme of Mark 13, Matt 24 and Luke 21 (see above) is The Lord's admonition to us that we not be deceived in these end times. At this time the only soul already judged to perdition is satan the one and only 'son of perdition'.]

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

[further description of who is coming BEFORE The Day of The Lord. Check out Isaiah 14:12-16]

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

[Note:Dr. Moffat renders ....he who now letteth... as "he who at present restrains it is removed." 'it' refers to the mystery of iniquity; remember in Biblical Hebrew & Greek... Static, explicit subject and object; see also Rev 12:7-9]

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The Matthew and Mark or indeed ANY passage of God's Word, are best appreciated in context. Full context of course is knowledge of what transpired in the garden in Genesis through the resolution thereof in Revelation (ref.Matt24:32,Mark13:28).

The Following contributed by Bro.Stan AKA Elihoreph

  Isaiah 27. (Seventh trump)
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

( Leviathan, serpent and dragon are just a few of the names that God uses to discribe Satan. The dragon that is in the sea is symbolic of Satan among the people. This day of punishment is that foretold of in 26:21. The seventh trump.

In that day sing ye unto her, A vineyard of red wine.

( We are part of that vine. The vineyard saved by the blood of Christ. The firstfruits that Christ will reserve to Himself. )

I the LORD do keep it; I will water it every moment: lest any hurt it, I will keep it night and day.

( In other word's, God will protect his own. )

Fury is not in me: who would set the briers and thorns against me in battle? I would go through them, I would burn them together.

( In the millinium now. Wrath is no longer with God as it was in the the other song. No one can come against Him. He will simply cast them into the lake of fire. )

Or let him take hold of my strength, that he may make peace with me; and he shall make peace with me.

( They will either make peace with God, or they wont be there. )

He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.

( Jacob represents the twelve tribes. God made an everlasting covenant with Jacob. He will keep that covenant. )

Hath he smitten him, ( Jacob ) as he smote those that smote him? or is he slain according to the slaughter of them that are slain by him?

( The enemy just wont be there period. )

In measure, when it shooteth forth, thou wilt debate with it: he stayeth his rough wind in the day of the east wind.

( Again, God takes care of His own. i.e. Israel. )

By this ( chastisement ) therefore shall the iniquity of Jacob be purged; and this is all the fruit to take away his sin; when he maketh all the stones of the altar as chalkstones that are beaten in sunder, the groves and images shall not stand up.

( All the fake houses of God will be done away with. )

Yet the defenced city shall be desolate, and the habitation forsaken, and left like a wilderness: there shall the calf feed, and there shall he lie down, and consume the branches thereof.

( All the dead wood burned up. )

When the boughs thereof are withered, they shall be broken off: the women come, and set them on fire: for it is a people of no understanding: therefore he that made them will not have mercy on them, and he that formed them will shew them no favour.

( Because they were a bunch of good for nothings. They had a choice. They chose the wrong path. )

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.

( Separating Babylon ( confusion ) from Israel ( Truth ) )

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

( Everyone should know what trumpet this is that will blow. It's the last trumpet. When Christ returns. When the last trump sounds, 1Cor.15:52, every knee will bow. )

Compare this last verse with Zech. 14. and we can see that the one and only day that the Lord returns there is no one "left behind". When He comes at His second advent, It's over, It is finished. There is absolutly no mention of any other event of the Lord returning other than this one.

Zechariah 14
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
And the LORD shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.


Isaiah 49 ...... Prophesy & Comfort for these Endtimes

A 'Post-Tribber' Writes

The concept of being "caught up" is very much scripture documented by Pauls words.

1Thes 4:16-18

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. (KJV)

In disputing the current teachings of the rapture, to say "The word rapture isnt in the manuscripts" is weak and irrelevant, specially if you are facing a competant bible student; the word "trinity" isnt in the manuscripts either, yet, there is a triune Godhead. So too, there is a "rapture" as well; it's just not taught correctly too often.

There will be a "catching up" as Paul documents as well as:

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is a literal gathering, or catching up by angels of the elect, to be taken to meet Christ. Not to meet in the "clouds" per se but as a large group of people transfigured in spiritual bodies and brought to Mt Zion as per Revelation 14.

The issue then is not what the words mean but WHEN and HOW and WHO will be "raptured" or better put to avoid confusion, "gathered together".

There will be no pre-trib or mid trib gathering and those two are the worst examples of the current rapture teaching. Post trib is accurate because not only are the elect gathered after the trib, but all, "living and dead" will be changed (transfiguration ? )

1 Cor 15:50-52

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (KJV)

If therefore we are to use a term to describe the scriptural truth of the gathering, it would be a post trib gathering or "rapture".

It boils down to this: Will there be a "rapture"? Yes
Use that word or gathering or whatever, yes, there is one.

Will it occur before or during the trib? No.

After the trib? Yes.

Will we be in our flesh bodies ? Absolutely not !

Keep in mind scripture:

1 Thessalonians 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Its WHO and most importantly WHEN that matters in understanding this verse. This "harpazo" takes place, which I think too many forget in their good intentions to leave the doctrine of pre and mid trib raptures behind.

We can substitute the word in this verse as well:

2 Corinthians 12:2

I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) such an one [raptured] to the third heaven.

2 Corinthians 12:4

How that he was [raptured] into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

The word "rapture" may carry negative connotations from its misuse but this is still an accurate translation. The word "taken" could also be used and it would still carry the proper meaning.

Acts 8:39

And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.


Acts 8:39

And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord raptured Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Revelation 12:5

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Revelation 12:5

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was [raptured] unto God, and to his throne.

Again, the point is NOT the word rapture, or caught up...its WHEN rapturists teach this will happen and to WHOM. The concept of being physically moved or spiritually moved is not unscriptural.


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